“One of the most interesting puzzles to emerge out of contentious Islamist movements is the fact that these movements are not united,” says Mohammed M. Hafez on this week’s POMEPS Conversations podcast. “The common finding today is that— in civil wars, insurgencies, and civil conflicts in general—  these movements are fragmented, they’re competitive, and sometimes they’re fratricidal.

Hafez talks about these fratricidal movements globally and throughout the Middle East region.

Hafez is an associate professor in the Department of National Security Affairs at the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, California. Hafez focuses on Islamic fundamentalism, radicalization and counter-radicalization.

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